Krillin (Android arc) vs. base Goku (Yardrat)

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Krillin (Android arc) vs. base Goku (Yardrat)
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Muyasuki	Mar 2 2015, 05:32 AM Post #16
Posts: 743 Group: Member Member #6,973 Joined: November 12, 2011	Pyrus Mar 1 2015, 07:28 AM What are your gaps for Goku, Piccolo, Gohan, and the humans? That seems awfully TIGHT to squeeze them all in there. Using Base Goku as the control at 100. Chiaotzu @ < 50 Yamcha @ 65 Tien @ 70 Krillin @ 80 Gohan @ 85 Surpressed Piccolo @ 95 Vegeta @ 105 Trunks @ 95 I could actually add reasoning why if curious as well. Edited by Muyasuki, Mar 3 2015, 07:11 PM.



+ Pyrus	Mar 2 2015, 05:41 AM Post #17
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Please, go on.
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Muyasuki	Mar 3 2015, 07:10 PM Post #18
Posts: 743 Group: Member Member #6,973 Joined: November 12, 2011	Pyrus Mar 2 2015, 05:41 AM Please, go on. The reason I have the gaps the way I have them is based on a combination of narrative, the Shonen genre, inconsistent power gains, and the idea that AT is not that good with math. Prior to the 3 Year Training for the Androids, the gaps between the Z Fighters are really large. Which makes sense given what we see through the narrative. The creation of the Super Saiyan transformation actually resulted in a change in the narrative: once this is introduced, the Base form of the Saiyans becomes obsolete (as an villain that they could handle in their base form isn’t actually a threat). It contrasts with Goku’s learning of the Kaioken as that was a technique and not an actual transformation. With this knowledge in hand, it becomes much more acceptable for the humans to finally catch up to the base saiyans, as it no longer truly affects the narrative. This concept is emphasized really hard in a “blink and you miss it” line from Krillin while they’re on their way to the meeting place with him firmly stating that he would be confident if he could also become a Super Saiyan. This is also reinforced by a few other factors like AT going out of his way to mention Chiaotzu being left behind for not being able to keep up, Yamcha being mistaken for Goku by Gero, Gero’s lack of surprise when actually meeting Goku during at his base level, Gero comment in regards to adding the humans, Gohan and surpressed Piccolo’s power to his own (which works a LOT better when you recall AT himself treating the transformation like a 10x thing…at least initially) and a few other factors as well. Essentially, the off-panel training that all the Z-fighters underwent in preparation for the fight was used as a “reset” in terms of their power back to something more managable. It also makes the transition significantly easier as the reader/watcher is forced to take the assumption that each fighter trained in the most optimal way possible. It allowed and made it easier for Toriyama to write without having to be worried about characters being too far left behind (another reason Chiaotzu was left behind…it’s more noticeable since Tien ALSO tried to leave him behind in the Saiyan saga but was unsuccessful there). The gap determination was based more on placement since it’s looking at how strong each character is in relation to Goku. I could keep going (specifically in regards to the gaps in particular) but that was probably long enough as is.



+ Pyrus	Mar 3 2015, 11:38 PM Post #19
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Muyasuki Mar 3 2015, 07:10 PM Essentially, the off-panel training that all the Z-fighters underwent in preparation for the fight was used as a “reset” in terms of their power back to something more managable. It also makes the transition significantly easier as the reader/watcher is forced to take the assumption that each fighter trained in the most optimal way possible. It allowed and made it easier for Toriyama to write without having to be worried about characters being too far left behind (another reason Chiaotzu was left behind…it’s more noticeable since Tien ALSO tried to leave him behind in the Saiyan saga but was unsuccessful there). The gap determination was based more on placement since it’s looking at how strong each character is in relation to Goku. I could keep going (specifically in regards to the gaps in particular) but that was probably long enough as is. Well enough. I don't have the time for long-winded debates anymore despite my disagreement here, but good job.
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~~KiklooRapeist~~	Mar 4 2015, 04:28 AM Post #20
Posts: 173 Group: Suspended Member #11,941 Joined: December 24, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam What Browser do you use? The one which doesn't hang. Favourite Manga Hate them.	In my opinion, I think goku is going to most likely win.It doesn't matter what the scenario is,that is krillin can be less than base Goku or equal to base Goku or can be slightly stronger than base Goku, krillin will most likely lose. Furthermore,even if Krillin was slightly stronger than base Goku or had a slight power advantage over Goku, it doesn't matter because Goku has got kaioken and Instant Transmission to increase his chance of victory. It would be a tough battle but if Goku used IT or kaioken krillin's chance of winning becomes very low.So, I would probably wager on Goku in this scenario.



Total Warrior	Mar 6 2015, 01:00 PM Post #21
Posts: 503 Group: Member Member #10,993 Joined: March 10, 2014 Gender Male Country Italy Favourite Anime One piece, Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan, One Punch Man	lucrowe Mar 1 2015, 11:46 AM Total Warrior Mar 1 2015, 11:07 AM It's canon. However, i have humans and sayans quiite close because tenshinhan was able to dodge gero's eyebeams as easily as goku. I'm not sure if I'm playing ball with you here. I wouldn't say that feat describes tien as strong as goku because of that, I'd say that just makes tien faster than gero's eye beams! I'm going to need more than that to suggest humans are close to saiyans because of that. I'm not denying that android arc krillin could beat yardrat goku, i think the 3 years of training would have done him a world of good, but i don't think humans stand close to saiyans at all. I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest the gap is much higher than you're believing! I've been thinking about it for a while and i don't agree with you. You said that feat suggests tien is stronger than gero's eyebeams, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's close to goku in power. Well, let's assume tien is at 1 000 000 and goku at 9 000 000, that's a huge gap! We agree that gero's eyebeams < tien and goku, so since tien is 1000000, the eyebeams have to be 900 000 or less. Obviously, tien has to put much more effort to dodge an attack whose power is 900 000, than goku who is a 9 000 000. However, in the manga it looks like they put the same amount of effort to dodge it. Moreover, if goku is much stronger than tien and, as a matter of fact, than the eyebeams, why didn't he tank them? An attack at 900 000 can't harm someone at 7-8-9 000 000 or more, why would he let gero destroy the city and kill hundreds of people? During frieza saga goku at 60 000 could tank burter and jeice's attack who were around 40-45000 so... instead, if tien is, say, at 6 000 000, goku at 8 000 000 and the eyebeams at 5 000 000,, it would make more sense.



+ Emmeth	Mar 7 2015, 04:15 AM Post #22
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	I don't need to have the humans between 10 and 20 million anymore. I am fairly ok with them being around 6-7m. Krillin takes this fight.
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